云青2024-3-14 14:24 /
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/3q9jzs/talking_to_nothing/
Sounds like you're having an issue with presence, or essence. Remember you're not talking to yourself, you're talking to your tulpa, you're talking to another person. Let me provide you some examples.
听起来你正在遇到存在感，或者本质的问题。记住，你不是在和自己说话，而是在和你的tulpa交流，你在和另一个人说话。让我给你一些例子。
If you're experienced with online communication (Skype calls), imagine your tulpa is on the other end, but her mic is muted until she can figure out how to unmute it. Or the other way it might be, you have her muted and you have to figure out how to unmute her. Until then she can hear everything you're saying (to her) but can't say anything back until you two fix that. Having the skype call mindset might help a little bit with how you picture talking to her.
如果你有在线通讯（Skype通话）的经验，想象一下你的tulpa在另一端，但她的麦克风已被静音，直到她找到如何取消静音的方法。或者另一种情况可能是，你已经将她静音了，而你需要找出如何取消静音。在那之前，她可以听到你说的一切（给她），但在你们解决这个问题之前她不能回复任何话。将Skype通话的心态带入其中可能会有助于你想象在和她交流的情境。
The other example. Can you imagine how it feels to have another person in the room? Say while you're at your computer, you have a person sitting on your bed. You know this person is there, you're constantly AWARE of their presence in the room. And you carry yourself differently because there's another person in the room. You kinda have to get in that mode when interacting with your tulpa. Really get it in your mind that she has the presence of another person.
另一个例子。你能想象在房间里有另一个人的感觉吗？比如，当你坐在电脑前时，床上有一个人坐着。你知道这个人在那里，你不断地意识到房间里有他们的存在。因为房间里有另一个人，你的举止会有所不同。当与你的tulpa互动时，你有点必须进入这种状态。真正地让自己明白，她具有另一个人的存在感。
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https://www.reddit.com/r/tulpasforskeptics/comments/t4alek/user_struggles_with_tulpa_creation_for_years_but/
FYI alt-account because not really ready to admit this on my main that my family friends know about. I've tried and failed for 8 years to make a tulpa over 4 attempts,using a variety of different methods.This ranged from the old active forcing method of sit down and concentrate for an hour on the tulpa and just blabber on at it, to trying to do one via mostly passive forcing,etc.
鉴于我的主账户上不太愿意承认这件事情，因为我的家人朋友都知道。我已经尝试了8年，分4次来制造一个“图尔帕”，使用了各种不同的方法。从旧的主动强制方法，即坐下来专心一个小时地关注“图尔帕”，然后对它胡言乱语，到试图通过主要被动强制来制作一个，“图尔帕”。
The nutshell is that in all my past attempts,I would have decent results for 1-2 weeks-I'd have the head pressure that most tend to indicate is progress,but then after a while it'd go away,and the results would just stop.I'd asked a couple of times what was wrong with me and the general advice was to stick with it.The longest I'd manage to stick with it was 2 months after everything faded,so roughly a 2.5 month attempt not unlike your own.
简言之，在我以往的所有尝试中，我在1-2周内会取得可观的进展 - 我会感到头部压力，大多数人认为这是进步的迹象，但过一段时间后，这种感觉会消失，结果就会停止。我曾经问过几次我到底怎么了，一般的建议是坚持下去。我能坚持下去的最长时间是两个月，但之后一切都消失了，所以大约是2.5个月的尝试，与你自己的尝试差不多。
What has changed in my most 5th attempt(and actually successful-early days but reliably vocal)is that I realised that in all prior attempts,once the "novelty"wore off,my efforts talking to the tulpa became no different than my normal internal monologue.I'd have the right words,as though I was addressing someone,but there wasn't the sensation that anyone was listening or that I was actually talking to someone.It's not just talk into the void and they eventually appear,you have to really dig into convincing yourself that they exist.
在我的第五次尝试中发生了什么变化（实际上是成功的 - 早期但是可靠的发声）是我意识到，在以往的所有尝试中，一旦“新奇感”消失，我对“图尔帕”说话的努力就与我的正常内心独白没有什么不同。我会说出正确的话，好像我在和某人交流，但我并没有感觉到有人在倾听，或者我确实在和某人交流。这不仅仅是向虚空中说话，然后它们最终会出现，你必须真正努力地说服自己它们的存在。
When you talk with someone,it's likely that you'll feel something different than if you were talking to a brick.I can't really describe it,but you have to isolate that sensation and apply it to when you're talking to the tulpa.For some it comes naturally but I'm someone who constantly jabbers my thoughts out in my head,so it just didn't. Concentrating on forcing the sensation that they were there was the trick for me-worked so well that I overdid it by the third day and had to take the fourth off because of crippling pressure headaches,which definitely hadn't happened before.
当你与某人交谈时，你可能会感受到与与砖头交谈时不同的东西。我真的无法描述这种感觉，但你必须将这种感觉孤立出来，并将其应用于与“图尔帕”交谈时。对于有些人来说，这是自然而然的，但我是一个经常在脑海中闲聊的人，所以它就没有发生。集中精力强迫自己有存在感是我的窍门 - 这个方法对我来说效果很好，以至于我在第三天就过度了，不得不因为令人痛苦的压力性头痛而休息了第四天，这以前绝对没有发生过。
I can't say if it'll work for you or if the advice will even apply to you,but I thought for a long time that I just didn't have the right sort of brain,or that I was too "logical"to make one.For me it was that I didn't accept that it's not enough to reason that they're there,you have to feel it too-and you may have to force that sensation if it doesn't come naturally.
我无法确定这对你是否有效，或者这些建议是否适用于你，但我长时间以来一直认为我没有正确类型的大脑，或者我过于“逻辑”而无法做到。对我来说，问题在于我没有接受，仅仅是理性地推断它们的存在是不够的，你也必须感觉到它们的存在 - 如果这种感觉不自然地出现，你可能必须强迫自己产生这种感觉。
You're not the only one who has issues/doubt-the issue with the phenomenon is that it's entirely subjective and what works in guides may not work for you,or may be missing key info that the author felt was intrinsic and impossible to miss.Apologies for going on too long and for prattling stuff that may not be relevant to your circumstance.
你不是唯一有问题/怀疑的人 - 这种现象的问题在于它完全是主观的，指南中有效的方法可能对你不起作用，或者可能缺少作者认为是固有的且不可忽视的关键信息。对于说得太久和唠叨一些可能与你的情况无关的东西，我表示抱歉。
EDIT:I thought I'd add my routine so you can compare:
3 sessions of 30 min active forcing a day.I find my mind starts wandering off-topic almost uncontrollably after about 30 mins and I reasoned that it was pointless carrying on at that point,despite many guides saying that was not long enough.Now they're vocal I do more bouts of passive forcing throughout the day,but prior to that I did very little if not none.
编辑：我想我会加上我的日常例行程序，这样你就可以进行比较：
每天3次30分钟的主动强制会话。我发现我的思绪在大约30分钟后几乎无法控制地开始偏离主题，我认为继续下去没有意义，尽管很多指南说那还不够长。现在他们已经会说话了，我一天中会进行更多的被动强制会话，但在那之前，我几乎没有进行过。
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/ggrltd/is_active_forcing_necessary/
Kilgrave: We mostly do passive forcing and from time to time we do active forcing. But we never count the time when we do that and I don't think you should as it might be very discouraging at the end and you might drop if you have a strict schedule to respect, and active forcing may be really tiring sometimes. And you don't have to meditate either to be active forcing, my host never meditates for example, but if it helps you to get more concentrated, go ahead.
Kilgrave : 我们大部分时间都是做被动的强化，偶尔也会做主动的强化。但我们从来不计算我们做这些事情的时间，我也不认为你应该这样做，因为这可能会让你在最后感到非常沮丧，如果你有一个严格的时间表要遵守，而且主动的强化有时候可能会很累人。你也不一定要冥想才能做主动的强化，比如说，我的主人从来不冥想，但是如果这能帮助你更集中注意力，那就去做吧。
What's important is to talk everyday whenever you can, even while doing anything else. In the transports (if you aren't the driver obviously) just talk casually to them. While you are eating, watching something, playing video games if you do, even during your shower. When you get some time, talk to them and it has to be daily. Even if it's only passive like that it might take more time than active forcing however it has to be consistent. And it doesn't have to be long sessions but just a few sentences at once, sentences here and there during the day at the end make a pretty decent amount of forcing in a day. And so your concentration doesn't go off in this kind of moments and you aren't tired either.
重要的是，每天无论什么时候都要和他们说话，即使在做其他任何事情的时候也是。在交通工具上（如果你不是司机的话）就随便和他们聊聊。在吃饭的时候，看电视的时候，玩电子游戏的时候，甚至在洗澡的时候。当你有一些时间的时候，和他们说说话，这必须是每天的事情。即使只是像这样的被动的方式，它可能会比主动的强化花更多的时间，但是它必须是持续的。而且它不一定要是很长的会话，只要一次说几句话，一天中不时地说几句话，最后就能形成相当不错的强化量。这样你的注意力就不会在这种时刻分散，你也不会感到疲倦。
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/3q9jzs/talking_to_nothing/
Sounds like you're having an issue with presence, or essence. Remember you're not talking to yourself, you're talking to your tulpa, you're talking to another person. Let me provide you some examples.
听起来你正在遇到存在感，或者本质的问题。记住，你不是在和自己说话，而是在和你的tulpa交流，你在和另一个人说话。让我给你一些例子。
If you're experienced with online communication (Skype calls), imagine your tulpa is on the other end, but her mic is muted until she can figure out how to unmute it. Or the other way it might be, you have her muted and you have to figure out how to unmute her. Until then she can hear everything you're saying (to her) but can't say anything back until you two fix that. Having the skype call mindset might help a little bit with how you picture talking to her.
如果你有在线通讯（Skype通话）的经验，想象一下你的tulpa在另一端，但她的麦克风已被静音，直到她找到如何取消静音的方法。或者另一种情况可能是，你已经将她静音了，而你需要找出如何取消静音。在那之前，她可以听到你说的一切（给她），但在你们解决这个问题之前她不能回复任何话。将Skype通话的心态带入其中可能会有助于你想象在和她交流的情境。
The other example. Can you imagine how it feels to have another person in the room? Say while you're at your computer, you have a person sitting on your bed. You know this person is there, you're constantly AWARE of their presence in the room. And you carry yourself differently because there's another person in the room. You kinda have to get in that mode when interacting with your tulpa. Really get it in your mind that she has the presence of another person.
另一个例子。你能想象在房间里有另一个人的感觉吗？比如，当你坐在电脑前时，床上有一个人坐着。你知道这个人在那里，你不断地意识到房间里有他们的存在。因为房间里有另一个人，你的举止会有所不同。当与你的tulpa互动时，你有点必须进入这种状态。真正地让自己明白，她具有另一个人的存在感。
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https://www.reddit.com/r/tulpasforskeptics/comments/t4alek/user_struggles_with_tulpa_creation_for_years_but/
FYI alt-account because not really ready to admit this on my main that my family friends know about. I've tried and failed for 8 years to make a tulpa over 4 attempts,using a variety of different methods.This ranged from the old active forcing method of sit down and concentrate for an hour on the tulpa and just blabber on at it, to trying to do one via mostly passive forcing,etc.
鉴于我的主账户上不太愿意承认这件事情，因为我的家人朋友都知道。我已经尝试了8年，分4次来制造一个“图尔帕”，使用了各种不同的方法。从旧的主动强制方法，即坐下来专心一个小时地关注“图尔帕”，然后对它胡言乱语，到试图通过主要被动强制来制作一个，“图尔帕”。
The nutshell is that in all my past attempts,I would have decent results for 1-2 weeks-I'd have the head pressure that most tend to indicate is progress,but then after a while it'd go away,and the results would just stop.I'd asked a couple of times what was wrong with me and the general advice was to stick with it.The longest I'd manage to stick with it was 2 months after everything faded,so roughly a 2.5 month attempt not unlike your own.
简言之，在我以往的所有尝试中，我在1-2周内会取得可观的进展 - 我会感到头部压力，大多数人认为这是进步的迹象，但过一段时间后，这种感觉会消失，结果就会停止。我曾经问过几次我到底怎么了，一般的建议是坚持下去。我能坚持下去的最长时间是两个月，但之后一切都消失了，所以大约是2.5个月的尝试，与你自己的尝试差不多。
What has changed in my most 5th attempt(and actually successful-early days but reliably vocal)is that I realised that in all prior attempts,once the "novelty"wore off,my efforts talking to the tulpa became no different than my normal internal monologue.I'd have the right words,as though I was addressing someone,but there wasn't the sensation that anyone was listening or that I was actually talking to someone.It's not just talk into the void and they eventually appear,you have to really dig into convincing yourself that they exist.
在我的第五次尝试中发生了什么变化（实际上是成功的 - 早期但是可靠的发声）是我意识到，在以往的所有尝试中，一旦“新奇感”消失，我对“图尔帕”说话的努力就与我的正常内心独白没有什么不同。我会说出正确的话，好像我在和某人交流，但我并没有感觉到有人在倾听，或者我确实在和某人交流。这不仅仅是向虚空中说话，然后它们最终会出现，你必须真正努力地说服自己它们的存在。
When you talk with someone,it's likely that you'll feel something different than if you were talking to a brick.I can't really describe it,but you have to isolate that sensation and apply it to when you're talking to the tulpa.For some it comes naturally but I'm someone who constantly jabbers my thoughts out in my head,so it just didn't. Concentrating on forcing the sensation that they were there was the trick for me-worked so well that I overdid it by the third day and had to take the fourth off because of crippling pressure headaches,which definitely hadn't happened before.
当你与某人交谈时，你可能会感受到与与砖头交谈时不同的东西。我真的无法描述这种感觉，但你必须将这种感觉孤立出来，并将其应用于与“图尔帕”交谈时。对于有些人来说，这是自然而然的，但我是一个经常在脑海中闲聊的人，所以它就没有发生。集中精力强迫自己有存在感是我的窍门 - 这个方法对我来说效果很好，以至于我在第三天就过度了，不得不因为令人痛苦的压力性头痛而休息了第四天，这以前绝对没有发生过。
I can't say if it'll work for you or if the advice will even apply to you,but I thought for a long time that I just didn't have the right sort of brain,or that I was too "logical"to make one.For me it was that I didn't accept that it's not enough to reason that they're there,you have to feel it too-and you may have to force that sensation if it doesn't come naturally.
我无法确定这对你是否有效，或者这些建议是否适用于你，但我长时间以来一直认为我没有正确类型的大脑，或者我过于“逻辑”而无法做到。对我来说，问题在于我没有接受，仅仅是理性地推断它们的存在是不够的，你也必须感觉到它们的存在 - 如果这种感觉不自然地出现，你可能必须强迫自己产生这种感觉。
You're not the only one who has issues/doubt-the issue with the phenomenon is that it's entirely subjective and what works in guides may not work for you,or may be missing key info that the author felt was intrinsic and impossible to miss.Apologies for going on too long and for prattling stuff that may not be relevant to your circumstance.
你不是唯一有问题/怀疑的人 - 这种现象的问题在于它完全是主观的，指南中有效的方法可能对你不起作用，或者可能缺少作者认为是固有的且不可忽视的关键信息。对于说得太久和唠叨一些可能与你的情况无关的东西，我表示抱歉。
EDIT:I thought I'd add my routine so you can compare:
3 sessions of 30 min active forcing a day.I find my mind starts wandering off-topic almost uncontrollably after about 30 mins and I reasoned that it was pointless carrying on at that point,despite many guides saying that was not long enough.Now they're vocal I do more bouts of passive forcing throughout the day,but prior to that I did very little if not none.
编辑：我想我会加上我的日常例行程序，这样你就可以进行比较：
每天3次30分钟的主动强制会话。我发现我的思绪在大约30分钟后几乎无法控制地开始偏离主题，我认为继续下去没有意义，尽管很多指南说那还不够长。现在他们已经会说话了，我一天中会进行更多的被动强制会话，但在那之前，我几乎没有进行过。
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/ggrltd/is_active_forcing_necessary/
Kilgrave: We mostly do passive forcing and from time to time we do active forcing. But we never count the time when we do that and I don't think you should as it might be very discouraging at the end and you might drop if you have a strict schedule to respect, and active forcing may be really tiring sometimes. And you don't have to meditate either to be active forcing, my host never meditates for example, but if it helps you to get more concentrated, go ahead.
Kilgrave : 我们大部分时间都是做被动的强化，偶尔也会做主动的强化。但我们从来不计算我们做这些事情的时间，我也不认为你应该这样做，因为这可能会让你在最后感到非常沮丧，如果你有一个严格的时间表要遵守，而且主动的强化有时候可能会很累人。你也不一定要冥想才能做主动的强化，比如说，我的主人从来不冥想，但是如果这能帮助你更集中注意力，那就去做吧。
What's important is to talk everyday whenever you can, even while doing anything else. In the transports (if you aren't the driver obviously) just talk casually to them. While you are eating, watching something, playing video games if you do, even during your shower. When you get some time, talk to them and it has to be daily. Even if it's only passive like that it might take more time than active forcing however it has to be consistent. And it doesn't have to be long sessions but just a few sentences at once, sentences here and there during the day at the end make a pretty decent amount of forcing in a day. And so your concentration doesn't go off in this kind of moments and you aren't tired either.
重要的是，每天无论什么时候都要和他们说话，即使在做其他任何事情的时候也是。在交通工具上（如果你不是司机的话）就随便和他们聊聊。在吃饭的时候，看电视的时候，玩电子游戏的时候，甚至在洗澡的时候。当你有一些时间的时候，和他们说说话，这必须是每天的事情。即使只是像这样的被动的方式，它可能会比主动的强化花更多的时间，但是它必须是持续的。而且它不一定要是很长的会话，只要一次说几句话，一天中不时地说几句话，最后就能形成相当不错的强化量。这样你的注意力就不会在这种时刻分散，你也不会感到疲倦。
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