[转载]欧美那边关于本作性主题的一篇挺有意思的博文
#1 - 2018-1-27 00:58
Pokr (-)
功力不足无法翻译,见谅。欧美宅总是让我觉得角度独特啊。
我没有理解错的话,这位博主的意思是:他更关心剧中人物对自身性观念毫无自知而被大人们(和剧本、镜头)操控着进行着驾驶FRANXX的性仪式与画面方面的福利/杀必死的这件事情。他认为这完全是没有对角色人格的尊重(respect)。
我看完之后觉得不能算是皿煮国家人的瞎掰…这种解读之下,这剧本有点骗纯洁孩子的感觉,骗的内容偏偏还是性。但是,这同时也可能正是故事想要论及的内容?
https://mageinabarrel.com/2018/0 ... r-the-lack-thereof/
TL;DR:
To conclude, it’s not merely the existence of these factors in Darling in the FranXX that upsets me. It is the fact that, in a show that without doubt must eventually become about its characters discovering their sexuality and taking agency for it, those same characters are afforded so little sympathy or respect. Their emotional suffering, which is so tightly woven into the sexualities they have no control over, is only a reminder that they have been written into a show that (again, presumably) wants to give them sexual agency as a fundamental part of its structure but at the same time has no qualms about objectifying them by shot framing, manipulating them into humiliating circumstances, and pushing the cinematic portrayal of their humiliation to maximum.
If the adults of Darling in the FranXX have reduced the children they oversee to nothing more than puppets whose sexuality (metaphorically or literally) can be used to fight a war, then the show itself has similarly fetishized the characters’ sexuality for the purpose of entertaining its audience.
我没有理解错的话,这位博主的意思是:他更关心剧中人物对自身性观念毫无自知而被大人们(和剧本、镜头)操控着进行着驾驶FRANXX的性仪式与画面方面的福利/杀必死的这件事情。他认为这完全是没有对角色人格的尊重(respect)。
我看完之后觉得不能算是皿煮国家人的瞎掰…这种解读之下,这剧本有点骗纯洁孩子的感觉,骗的内容偏偏还是性。但是,这同时也可能正是故事想要论及的内容?
https://mageinabarrel.com/2018/0 ... r-the-lack-thereof/
TL;DR:
To conclude, it’s not merely the existence of these factors in Darling in the FranXX that upsets me. It is the fact that, in a show that without doubt must eventually become about its characters discovering their sexuality and taking agency for it, those same characters are afforded so little sympathy or respect. Their emotional suffering, which is so tightly woven into the sexualities they have no control over, is only a reminder that they have been written into a show that (again, presumably) wants to give them sexual agency as a fundamental part of its structure but at the same time has no qualms about objectifying them by shot framing, manipulating them into humiliating circumstances, and pushing the cinematic portrayal of their humiliation to maximum.
If the adults of Darling in the FranXX have reduced the children they oversee to nothing more than puppets whose sexuality (metaphorically or literally) can be used to fight a war, then the show itself has similarly fetishized the characters’ sexuality for the purpose of entertaining its audience.
但我在看的时候先发现了感性先动
所以就分析分析
目前(单纯分析我的感性)看来
“做出这种驾驶姿势的角色对于这种姿势所应蕴含的羞耻心的无知”
才是最令人感到不适的
约等于恐惧(与《1984》中对性的极制节制、《美丽新世界》中对性的无节制相似而不同的是以性作为战斗工具)
但和反乌托邦、克苏鲁或者其他描绘令人恐惧的事物的作品不同
此作品没有相应的导向,恐惧就这样放在那里
这才是让人不禁批评的根源吧
恐惧在所有情感中权重是非常高的
更何况很多世界观没有交代,和“未知的恐惧”也有一定程度的交叉
这种情况超容易不动脑子行动
(也有可能故意引起的(观众不动脑子行动),毕竟生成恐惧不算什么全新技术,而且也能制造话题度,但目前这观点的证据和线索都不足)
在前两集的这一堆老梗剧情里,只能说制作组多多少少地暗示了故事得走向。但是故事又还没有展开,现在说什么都只是推测。是要搞个大新闻呢?还是单纯的老害式媚宅呢?还不能确定。
所以我觉得就静静听staff继续编就行了,编得好再吹;编不好就打断J8
(2)长大后我就成了你
(3)"爸爸"这个称呼就很诡异
“媚宅”这个词还是省省吧,被跟风玩烂了,“媚”首先就是把自己置于人之下,而“老害们”的态度大可是“你们快来跪舔我,我们要出山了”,何来“媚宅”一说。说个当笑话听,痞子现在发“EVA”三个字母就会有一帮人蹭上去分分钟变热搜b38
老剧场R17。
我在日本见过19禁,一直特好奇19禁的标准是啥。
r19,r20和r21我都不知道是哪个领域的。
更小的时候在书上看到了各种维纳斯的露点画像,对我造成了精神暴击,最后让我变成了现在这样下流的人,请你也帮我批判一哈西方绘画
只是我们在欣赏一部作品时会不自觉的带着现实的伦理观去审视,我第一次看强袭魔女时会惊讶,这帮小姑娘穿着内裤到处跑真是不知廉耻,但是当我看到他们与男性勤务兵们互动,与高官出席作战会议,对方都没有用猥亵的眼光看她们,只把她们视作士兵,视作战斗英雄,可见在他们的世界观中,年轻的女性下身仅穿着内裤生活工作是没问题的。
还是阿虚的名言“在虚构的作品中寻找真实感的人脑子一般有问题”,但我们观众还是希望从作品中寻找共鸣,创作者们一般也都会宣扬正能量的事物,哪怕是在黑深残的背景下,这大概也是进行创作的一种潜规则,大家都会自觉去遵守。
虚构作品本身就应该有相当的真实感,无需寻找,就明摆在你的面前;看到没有真实感的作品还非要去寻找真实感的脑子是真的有问题。
也符合7的出处的场景:春日在拍毫无真实感的垃圾电影,阿虚疯狂吐槽不合现实。
另外,虚构作品的真实感需要比现实还强——原句好像是小说应该比真实更真实——现实世界不需要考虑这个故事能不能被人接受,但虚构作品需要。好像16年末还出了这种东西来着……
其实把凉宫看深一点,阿虚的那句吐槽才是谬论。团长潜意识能随意改变世界,如果她不在虚拟世界里寻找真实感的话,那世界才真完蛋了www
我的意思是当做反乌托邦当然没问题,但是……性这个主题比起1984,稍微有点损害人物尊严。
这个分析稍微有点meta我得想想
当然我个人其实也并不认同言论的边界,边界只应该界定行为不应该界定思想,但这脱离主题了